Written By: Michael D. McClellan | There are those who say that Indiana is the cradle of basketball civilization, the epicenter of a hardwood explosion that reaches all corners of the globe. From Sydney to Slovenia, the NBA as we now know it reflects the far-reaching impact of the game’s legendary ambassadors, basketball gods known to the masses only as Michael, Magic and Larry, as nearly every team now has at least one foreign player on its roster. Many of those players, in fact, are stars: There is Yao Ming from China, Dirk Nowitzki from Germany, Manu Ginobili from Argentina, Tony Parker from France, and Pau Gasol from Spain. Impact players all, these men excel in a sport that gained its critical mass in high school gymnasiums throughout 1950s rural Indiana. Talk basketball lore with anyone form the Hoosier State, and it isn’t long before the story of Bobby Plump and tiny Milan High School enters the conversation. Plump, of course, hit that last-second shot to lead Milan to the 1954 Indiana state title, becoming an almost mythical figure in the process and later providing the inspiration for the movie Hoosiers. Simply put, Indiana basketball – Indiana high school basketball to be precise– is beyond passion, beyond obsession, beyond reason. It is a religion that spans generations, the game and its players worshipped unlike anywhere else in the country. And in the pantheon of all those Indiana high school greats, from Bobby Plump to Oscar Robertson to Larry Bird, few have stood taller than Muncie Central’s own Ron Bonham.
As a two-time All-State selection and as Indiana’s ‘Mr. Basketball’ in 1960, one might expect Bonham to have grown up with a basketball in his hands, his future as the Hoosier State’s hoops messiah cosmically preordained. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth; Bonham, born with a heart murmur, didn’t play organized basketball until the eighth grade. He was raised to appreciate the outdoors, and spent the early part of his childhood hunting and fishing in the Indiana countryside. His passion for wildlife stayed with him long after his playing days were done, as he has served more than thirty-five years as the superintendent at Prairie Creek Park, a 2,300 acre refuge for those looking to reconnect with nature.
“My dad was an outdoors person,” says Ron Bonham, still a basketball legend in the basketball-crazed Hoosier State. “He more or less raised me on the river. We fished and hunted all the time. He taught me how to appreciate nature, and how to respect the environment.”
Arriving late to the basketball court, Bonham proved to be a prodigious student of the game; his ball handling and shooting skills were far superior to those of players with more experience, and his court presence, even at such an early age, was impossible to ignore. At Muncie Central, Bonham’s game only got better. He finished his junior season by being named All-State, before erupting for 28 points-per-game in leading Muncie Central to the state finals as a senior. Bonham finished his career as the leading scorer in the history of Indiana high school basketball with 2,023 points. Indiana coaches and sportswriters were quick to acknowledge Bonham’s on-court excellence, voting him ‘Mr. Basketball’ while touting him as the state’s brightest college prospect since the great Robertson. Bonham validated that praise by leading a contingent of Indiana All-Stars over its rival Kentucky counterparts, 101-64. Deluged with scholarship offers, Bonham packed off to home-state Purdue. He stayed just three days.
“I decided that four years is a long time to be unhappy,” Bonham said at the time. He then went home to reconsider other offers. His final choice: The University of Cincinnati — the school that Robertson had carried to basketball fame.
Following Robertson to Cincinnati was not without its pitfalls, especially given the ‘Big O’s’ three-year run at the school; from 1958-60, Robertson – himself a ‘Mr. Basketball’ in the State of Indiana – set or broke 19 school and 14 NCAA records while leading the Bearcats to a 79-9 record and two straight NCAA tournament championship games (1959 and 1960). It was, in many ways, a daunting task for the school’s Next Big Name – a near impossible act to follow. However, the three-time College Player of the Year and national scoring leader at Cincinnati was instrumental in Bonham’s decision to attend college in the Queen City. Robertson’s presence had transformed the Bearcat program into a national power, and Bonham embraced the long shadow cast by Oscar’s dizzying list of achievements and accolades.
There was little doubt that Counts would play professionally, but his date with the Boston Celtics would have to wait, as Oregon’s favorite son was selected to represent the United States in the 1964 Olympic Games in Tokyo, Japan. Playing for another legendary coach, Hank Iba, Counts and his teammates shrugged off the underdog tag to finish 9-0, including a dominating 73-59 gold medal win over the previously undefeated Soviet Union.
The early sixties remain the Golden Era of Bearcat Basketball. Following Robertson’s graduation, the team won its first national championship in 1960-61. Led by All-Americans Bob Wiesenhahn and Paul Hogue, as well as future All-Americans Tom Thacker and Tony Yates, Cincinnati defeated an imposing Ohio State team featuring John Havlicek, Jerry Lucas, Bobby Knight and Larry Siegfried. The win cemented Cincinnati’s burgeoning reputation as a national power, and set the stage for a rare event – repeating as national champions.
With freshmen ineligible to compete in varsity athletics, Bonham adjusted to college life while preparing to help his team secure back-to-back titles. Cincinnati started Bonham’s sophomore season where it left off, bolting to a 10-1 record and a Number 2 ranking in the polls. His role in those early games was to come off the bench. Ever the consummate team player, Bonham understood that UC had lost only two players (Wiesenhahn and guard Carl Bouldin) from a team that ran off 22 straight wins on its way to that 70-65 title clincher over the Buckeyes. Hogue, the team’s rugged rebounder, was still there. Lanky forward Fred Dierking, the man with perhaps the sharpest elbows in the college game, was still there. Guards Thacker and Yates were only juniors. Bonham filled the role of Sixth Man to perfection, providing instant offense when head coach Ed Jucker sensed his team needed it.
“I like to have a good bench,” Jucker said at the time, referring to the player known alternately as the ‘Muncie Mortar’ and the ‘Blonde Bomber’. “And Bonham helps make it one of the best.”
By season’s end, Bonham was playing a far more integral role in Cincinnati’s fortunes, with perhaps his biggest game coming in the National Semifinals against budding power UCLA. In a tightly contested game (tied 37-37 at halftime), Hogue (36 points) and Bonham (19) powered UC to a 72-70 win and a rematch with Ohio State for the national championship. Bonham would score 10 in that 71-59 victory, completing a dream season for a player unafraid to follow Robertson’s footsteps.
“You can’t put it into words,” he says. “Even after all of these years it’s hard to believe what we accomplished.”
A year later Bonham was a certified star, earning Consensus All-America honors while leading the ’63 team in scoring (21.0 ppg). Cincinnati made a then-unprecedented fifth straight trip to the Final Four in 1962-63, and narrowly missed capturing a third-straight national crown when Loyola (Ill.) overcame a 15-point deficit and defeated the Bearcats by a basket, 60-58, in overtime. During those five seasons, UC recorded a 37-game win streak and posted a 161-16 record. The five straight Final Four appearances remain a feat topped only by UCLA. And Bonham was squarely in it all.
“What a thrill to be a part of those teams,” Bonham says, smiling. “It was an honor to be associated with Bearcat basketball – it’s something I’ll never forget.”
UC’s Final Four streak ended a year later, but Bonham was once again named to the All-America team. He was then the sixteenth player selected in the 1964 NBA draft, going in the second round to the defending champion Boston Celtics. A great athlete in the best shape of his life, Bonham was nevertheless ill-prepared for those grueling training camps ran by the legendary Red Auerbach. He found himself physically exhausted after two weeks of two-a-days, at times wondering whether he wanted to be so far away from home. Somehow Bonham survived both his homesickness and Auerbach’s military-style boot camp, making the cut along with fellow rookie Mel Counts. The Celtics roared out of the blocks; the sixty-two wins that season were a club record, and the club won it’s seventh consecutive NBA championship.
For Bonham, the wide-eyed rookie suddenly had the basketball world on a string. He was an Indiana high school hoops legend, an NCAA champion, and a member for the greatest dynasty in professional sports. His teammates were some of the greatest players in NBA history, including hall-of-fame talent such as Bill Russell, Sam Jones, KC Jones, Tom Heinsohn and John Havlicek. Auerbach was revered in Boston and reviled outside of it, a certified genius and the NBA’s Coach of the Year. Russell was the league’s MVP for a record fifth time. Radio announcer Johnny Most belted out his signature call (“Havlicek stole the ball! Havlicek stole the ball!”) following Havlicek’s theft of inbounds pass during the final seconds of Eastern Division deciding game against Philadelphia. Bonham soaked it all in – the awesome personalities, the key moments, the grueling practices – well aware that he was in a very special place indeed.
“The Celtics were a family,” Bonham says. “As a rookie, I was considered an outsider. But that all changed once I made the team. At that point I became part of something truly special.”
The Celtics repeated as champions a year later, with Bonham playing 39 games as a reserve. It was the team’s eighth consecutive title, a record that many feel will never be broken. It was also a year of change for the aging franchise; Auerbach retired as coach following a 95-93 Game 7 win over the Los Angeles Lakers in the fabled Boston Garden, while Russell was named to succeed him as player/coach. Bonham found himself playing less as the season went on, and by following summer he was out of basketball and back home in Indiana.
His time away from the game would prove short-lived; still a marquee name in his home state, the fledging Indiana Pacers coaxed him back onto the court for one more season of action. That Bonham finished his cage career as an original member of the ABA’s Indiana Pacers is only fitting, given his towering presence over Indiana high school basketball. To this day he remains part of the lore that fuels hoops hysteria in his home state, the stories told and retold through the generations. From Plump to Robertson, Bonham to Bird, fans statewide can recite the historic moments that make basketball such a special part of their lives. Bearcat and Celtic fans can, too, as Bonham’s achievements have left an indelible mark on two of this sport’s true dynasties.
Celtic Nation is honored to bring you this interview.
You were born on May 31st, 1942, in Muncie, Indiana. Take me back in time – what was your childhood like, and what sports did you like to play?
I’ve always been an outdoors person, just like my farther and mother. My father loved to hunt and fish – he always followed sports of all kinds – so I guess you could say I came by it honestly [laughs]. Growing up, especially in those early years, I spent a lot of time outdoors with my father. We were always in the woods or on a stream, which remain some of my earliest memories of sports-related activities. People think I grew up shooting baskets, but I had a heart murmur as a youngster and couldn’t participate in a strenuous sport such as basketball until about the eighth grade. So I was about fourteen before I started playing competitively.
You’ve heard of Indiana basketball. It’s known nationwide as the basketball capital. My parents always had season tickets to the Muncie Central Bearcats, which was one of the powers in Indiana high school basketball. Muncie Central has won more state championships than any other team in Indiana. So I got the love of basketball from going to the Muncie Central games with my parents. I used to work out two or three times a day, drilling every chance I could get, and I ended up being a pretty good player in high school.
You were twice a first-team All-State player at Muncie Central High School, finishing your career as the leading scorer in the history of Indiana high school basketball with 2,023 points. Please share some of the memories from this period in your life.
We had a lot of talent on our high school team. We were ranked Number 1 in the state during my senior year. We won twenty-nine straight games but ended losing that last game, which was for the state championship. That was one of the biggest disappointments that I ever had in my life as a basketball player.
I was fortunate enough to be Mr. Basketball of Indiana in 1960, and I was also lucky enough to be the Most Valuable Player of both the Kentucky and Indiana All-Star games. But those honors really go back to the talent that we had on our high school team, especially during my senior season. It was just phenomenal. All five of the starting players on that team went on to play college basketball. One of our guards was the state champion in the low hurdles. They were just tremendous athletes. And very unselfish, as well. I was lucky enough that I got to shoot the ball a lot. That was my role on the team – to score and rebound.
The backing that we had from the community was just tremendous. I can remember going down to the semifinals and finals of the state championship in Indianapolis, and there was such a line of cars behind the bus that you couldn’t see the end of it. Muncie Central Fieldhouse was one of the larger ones in the state – it held about 6,000 patrons, and it was full every game. Since they’ve gone to the class basketball here in Indiana, there just isn’t the same interest as before. I can remember sitting in the isles as a young child because there were so many people at the games. As a matter of fact, families used to pass down their Muncie Central season tickets in their wills, that’s how much interest there was in Bearcat basketball.
You averaged 28 points-per-game as a senior, earning nicknames such as the “Blonde Bomber” and the “Muncie Mortar” along the way. What was the secret to your prodigious scoring touch?
We had a basketball goal out behind our house, and I never missed a day once I started playing. I can remember the summer in-between my ninth grade and sophomore years at Muncie Central. I was out there playing, and I cracked a bone in my left foot and broke my ankle. Even with a walking cast on – I don’t know how many walking casts I went through that summer – I never missed a day of shooting. I think that had a lot to do with it.
I took tap dancing lessons for twelve years, starting at a very early age, and I think that that was one of the reasons for my coordination and leaping ability on the basketball court. It especially made a difference in my footwork. I also took acrobatics, which involved a lot of leg strengthening, and that absolutely made a difference. I guess you could say that I was one of those white guys that could jump [laughs].
We used to go to one of the junior high schools that was open in the summer, and work out for three hours in the early afternoon, and then go outside and play at a church at night. There are still pockets of interest like that today, but nothing like it used to be. Kids just have so many other activities to distract them.
You were Indiana’s Mr. Basketball in 1960. What did this honor mean to you then, and what does it mean to you now?
One of the things it proved was that team success really goes hand-in-hand with individual success. We had awesome teams during my junior and senior seasons, so we were in the limelight quite a bit. All of the big newspapers all around the state covered us, including the Indianapolis paper. We were winning games by such a large margin that reporters followed us everywhere. So I think our team accomplishments had a lot to do with people getting to know about my ability, which in turn led to me being named Mr. Basketball.
You followed the great Oscar Robertson to the University of Cincinnati. Was this a coincidence or by design?
I wanted to go to a basketball school. I had just over 300 offers for college, and I was torn between Purdue and the University of Cincinnati. Purdue was a college football power, and the University of Cincinnati was a power basketball program. And with Oscar being at Cincinnati, oh boy…I went to his senior banquet – he was a senior in college when I was a senior in high school – and you couldn’t even see Oscar at the table. He won every award you could imagine that year.
I just really wanted to be a part of the UC program. It was strictly a run-and-shoot, which is what I’d always played in high school, but then the coach had some health problems prior to my sophomore year and Ed Jucker came in as coach. So my sophomore year I really had to buckle down and work on defense, and all the other aspects of the game. It was a slowdown, half court type of offense, which is completely different from what I’d ever played before. But it was obviously very successful.
Although denied a championship in high school, the Bearcats won the NCAA title during your freshman and sophomore seasons, while finishing as a runner-up to Loyola of Chicago following your junior year at the school. What memories stand out after all of these years, and what was it like to be a part of the Golden Age of Bearcat Basketball?
I can remember being well ahead of Loyola – we were the top-rated team in the country, and we were winning that championship game handily – and Vic Rouse was guarding me. At one point in the game he actually said, ‘Ron, great game. You guys have a great team.’ He had actually given up. Well, our strategy when leading like that was to go into a stall. We had worked on their zone press for two weeks. We felt we were capable of holding the lead for an extended period of time. Well, we were so far ahead that we started stalling with well over ten minutes left in the game, instead of our usual six-to-eight minutes. It was just one of those things where the momentum changed. We threw the ball away, lost momentum, and I’ll be doggone if they didn’t come back and beat us in overtime. We should have had three national championships in a row, but the game just got away from us.
The talent on those three Cincinnati teams was phenomenal. There were two high school All-Americans that came in as freshmen – George Wilson and myself. We had great defensive players in Tom Thacker and Paul Hogue. Anytime you can beat an Ohio State team that had John Havlicek, Jerry Lucas and Larry Siegfried, and do it for the national championship, then you’re really doing something. Ohio State was rated Number 1 in the nation during my freshman and sophomore seasons, and Cincinnati was rated Number 2, and we beat them for the title both times – and pretty handily, at that. So that shows the talent that you had on those Cincinnati teams.
You were a two-time All-America selection at Cincinnati. How did it feel to be recognized as one of the greatest players in the country?
It was a real thrill. Basketball had been such a large part of my life, going back as far as I could remember as a youngster, and to be named one of the top five players in the United States was such an honor. But there again, I need to talk about my teammates. We were so successful because of the group, not just because of one player, and I ended up getting a lot of votes because of that success. I may have been the top-scorer, but there were other players who got you the ball, set the picks, things like that. And a lot of the plays were set for me, so that I could shoot. So I was lucky all through my career – high school, college, and then with the Boston Celtics – to be able to play with great teammates who know how to win.
The Boston Celtics drafted you in the second round, the 16th overall selection. Please take me back to that first training camp.
I can remember talking to Auerbach over the phone, and he says, ‘Bonham, you’ll want to be in the greatest shape you’ve ever been in your life.’ And I was already working out twice a day, six hours a day, and I was in the best shape of my life. And then I went to training camp. I think there were three openings at that time, and there were between fifty and sixty people competing for those spots. They were letting anybody into camp who wanted to try out. After the first day of training camp, only a few of those guys bothered to come back. It was that brutal. I can also remember them carrying Tommy Heinsohn off the floor after that first practice. He passed out – it was a real hot day. Auerbach wanted to see if you really wanted it. That was his way. It was so excruciating – he wanted to see the pain, and he wanted to see if you really wanted to be on that team.
Red Auerbach was notorious for those preseason barnstorming tours that took the team all over New England. Were you ever a part of these tours and, if so, do you have a fond memory or an amusing story to share?
A lot of times we played against each other. In one of the exhibition games I scored something like forty-two points, and Auerbach said, ‘I’m going to have Havlicek on you in the next exhibition game.’ And I think I scored something like twelve in that one. John was all over me, all over that court [laughs]. But the fans were great wherever we went in New England. The stands were always full. The passion reminded me of the fans we had in high school and college.
Today, players have sports agents and lawyers to negotiate contracts with NBA clubs. What was it like back then?
When we went in to sign our contracts, I’d seen Red at quite a few of our college games. So I knew who he was. Mel Counts and I were drafted the same year, and we went in at the same time to talk contract with Mr. Auerbach, and there Red was, sitting in his chair with his feet up on the desk. He had that cigar jammed in his mouth, and the room was so damned smoky. He put his feet down, and he shoved two pieces of paper across the desk to Mel Counts and I. And he said, ‘This ain’t a democracy. Here’s what you boys are going to get.’ So Mel and I signed right then and there – that was the way Red negotiated [laughs].
Walter Brown passed away on September 7th, 1964. Please tell me a little about Mr. Brown.
That was my first year coming in. Everything was first class – wherever we traveled, wherever we stayed. That ownership was just fantastic. It was the best in the league at that time. It really spoiled me, because I played on the first Indiana Pacer team, and it was just the compete opposite in the ABA. We sat in airports all night long, things like that. There was so much disorganization. In Boston, everything was organized. From the day you left on your trip everything was laid out perfectly. It was just top notch.
The Boston Celtics retired the honorary “Number 1” in honor of Mr. Brown during a Boston Garden ceremony on October 17th. What memories do you have of this emotional event?
There was a lot of sorrow, and there was a lot of support for the man who had given so much of himself through the years. I remember that Red just thought the world of him – he talked so highly of Mr. Brown, and I know it really hurt Red when Mr. Brown passed away. We all missed him, that’s for sure.
The Celtics won 62 games that season, a club record. What was it like to be a part of such a successful campaign?
I used to follow the Boston Celtics because of their winning tradition. The players amazed me, especially Bill Russell. Today you see players block a shot, and knock it five rows into the stands. Russell would block a shot to start the fast break. His coordination was unbelievable. The way he passed off, things like that. That team had Sam [Jones] and KC [Jones], Heinsohn and Havlicek…it was truly a special place to be.
You come out of high school and college, and you think you’re a hotshot, and then you play with the best players in the world. It’s humbling. My second year in Boston, I saw the leading scorer in the nation try out for the Boston Celtics and he didn’t even make the team. Satch Sanders made him look ridiculous. So for me, it was humbling to come in and see that type of talent, and play against that type of talent in practice. You learn a lot. They were great mentors.
The ’65 playoffs produced one of the most dramatic moments in NBA history, as Johnny Most makes his legendary radio call: “Havlicek stole the ball! Havlicek stole the ball!” Please take me back to that series in general, and that game in particular.
That whole series was a knockdown, drag out fight. I can remember Bill trying to throw the ball in and it hitting the guide wire. We were all going crazy on the sidelines. And for Havlicek to make that play, it was just fantastic. I can still remember Johnny Most and that voice of his – Johnny and I used to spend a lot of time together on the road, talking, and I respected him so much. And like I’ve said, every game in that series was tough. Philly had great talent as well, but when it was over you saw who the champs were.
The Celtics dismantled the Lakers 4-1 to secure the team’s seventh consecutive title – and eighth overall. While old hat to players like Bill Russell and Sam Jones, it was a new experience for you. What was it like win your first NBA championship?
It was bedlam when we won that final game. Fans streamed onto the court. Havlicek and I got off the beaten path going back to the dressing room, so to speak, and it was just crazy. Our warm-up jackets get ripped off, our jerseys get ripped off our back, and then I felt someone get hold of my trunks – I thought those were coming off next [laughs]. Luckily, some security people found us and got us into the dressing room. But we thought we were going to lose all of our clothes [laughs]. What an environment to play basketball – the fans were the best anywhere, and they really supported the team. And that parquet floor – what a beautiful floor. It was also a great shooting floor. There wasn’t a better place to place basketball than the Boston Garden.
Red Auerbach would bow out the following season with yet another championship, the team’s eighth in a row. The starting five had an average age of 31 that season, and many experts felt the team was too old to win again. How were the Celtics able to overcome the age factor and send Red off a winner?
It was the closeness of the guys on that team – it was just one big family. I’ll tell you, Bill Russell didn’t speak to any rookies or anyone new coming in. John Havlicek and I had been friends all through college, and I asked John about that. I said, ‘What’s the deal with Bill?’ And he said, ‘That’s just the way he is. If you make the team then you’re a part of the family, and that’s the way this whole team is. That’s the reason we’re so successful.’ So after I did make the team it was like night and day. Russell invited us over to his house for dinner, and at that time he had a little soul food restaurant in downtown Boston. He invited us down there and treated us to dinner. So it really was like family, and I think that’s a big reason for the team’s success. Of course, you’ve got to have talent, and Boston had plenty of that, too. But race was never an issue. It was just a great environment. The talent was there, the love for each other was there, and that was really the secret to the team’s success.
Everyone who has played for the Celtics seems to have a favorite story about the great Red Auerbach. What was it like to meet him for the first time, and do you have a story that stands out?
He was a tremendous coach, very knowledgeable. Very knowledgeable of our opponents. And we always had a good game plan. All the players respected him. There was always humor in the dressing room – not during our practices, because they were very heated – but the camaraderie went a long way towards the success of the Boston Celtics, and Red had a lot to do with that. He was genius.
Let’s talk about your ABA career – you were a member of the first Indiana Pacer team.
Well, for one thing I didn’t like the basketball. It had a completely different feel. As a shooter, I never did like the feel. It was rubber-coated, and it didn’t have the deeper groove like the NBA basketball. The first year of the ABA’s existence was chaos, it really was. I can’t tell you how many times we stayed in airports all night long. The scheduling wasn’t like it should have been, and some of the rooms we stayed in were pretty bad. I’ll tell you, I was spoiled by my time spent with the Boston Celtics. I should have played several more years, but I’d always had an interest in the outdoors, and I was an old homebody [laughs]. I don’t know what my phone bills were when I was living in Boston, but I used to call home several times a week and talk to mom and dad. I’d talk for several hours at a time. So I guess I just liked it more back home – I was happier to go back home and pet my birddog [laughs].
Let’s talk life after basketball. What have you been up to in the years since retiring from the NBA?
I’m in my thirty-fifth year as superintendent of a 2,300 acre recreational facility for the City of Muncie, Indiana. I’ve many other opportunities to make double or triple the money that I make here, but my dad more-or-less raised me on the river. He taught me how to hunt, how to appreciate nature, and how to respect the environment. So everything just fell into place when I had the chance to take this job at Prairie Creek Reservoir. I’ve been here thirty-five years, and my wife has been working at this same facility for thirty-four. Anytime you can come to a job and work eight, nine, or ten hours and wonder where the time went, that’s a job you can stick with. And that’s what it feels like. Hopefully my health will hold up two more years, and then I’m going to fade off into the sunset [laughs].
I’ve also been involved in politics – I was the county commissioner for twelve years, serving three full terms as administrator for the county, which is equivalent to being the mayor of a city. We have about 120,000 people in Delaware County. But after my third term I went to the doctor, and my blood pressure was sky high, so I decided ease up a little. It was hard to do, because I’ve always been a public relations person, and I enjoyed serving my community as county commissioner.
We built a new home just east of the reservoir – we’ve got fifty or sixty acres, all in a wildlife habitat with the state. We’ve got an abundance of quail, and we’ve put in a new seven acre wetland, so my wife and I are both looking forward to retirement. We raise Springer Spaniels – we have fourteen right now, and they stay in a very nice kennel.
Final Question: You’ve achieved great success in your life. If you could offer one piece of advice on life to others, what would that be?
Don’t feel that you’re better than anybody else. Don’t ask someone to do something that you wouldn’t do yourself. I think that’s respected.
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